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Griffin Smyth's avatar

Oh, where to even begin. I was sincerely hoping you'd try to tackle this one.

The bent oar and the tower have to be some of the oldest, most cliché examples in the whole tradition at this point, definitely fossils. What if we used a modern example to distinguish between the evident and non-evident instead? Take eyewitness testimony research, people who confidently remember seeing things that were never there, or have their memory of an event reshaped just by being asked a leading question afterward. That's the evident/non-evident line in practice. What someone actually perceives in the moment is one thing, the confident story built on top of it afterward is something else entirely, and decades of courtroom cases have shown us how badly the two get confused.

I've also noticed you're treating Academic Skeptics and Pyrrhonists as basically the same target here, but they're pretty different schools with pretty different mechanisms. It'd be a bit like comparing Epicureans with Cyrenaics, both get called hedonists, but one's chasing immediate bodily pleasure and the other's calculating long-term absence of pain. I wonder, is Pyrrhonism even the right word to file under Skeptic in the sense you mean it in this essay, or is that just lumping two things that don't actually belong in the same box, to make a quicker point?

Doug Bates's avatar

I think if we’re going to talk about the Principle Doctrines, then we should assume that they written by Epicurus, and that puts a date range on them, in which case the Skeptical Academy is in the future. It also means Epicurus’ target was early Pyrrhonism, about which we know little - just a few quotes from Timon. There’s a range of thinking about the degree to which the Pyrrhonism that we know from Sextus Empiricus and Diogenese Laertius reflects the Pyrrhonism of Pyrrho. One end of the range is that there’s only modest resemblance and that Pyrrhonism as we know it was largely invented by Aenesidemus, who made Pyrrho a figurehead. The other end of the range is that it is an evolved and elaborated version of Pyrrho’s teachings. In either case, we can’t be sure whether Epicurus’ target was something different from the Pyrrhonism we know now. In particular, comparing the Aristocles Passage with Sextan Pyrrhonism, there’s a difference between the two, and the applibity of these two Principle Doctrine differs between them, as well.

PD 23 (If you dispute all evidence of sensation, you will have no standard of reference when you judge those sensations which you say are deceptive.) is easy to address. All sensation is relative. Sensation can be compared with other sensations, particularly those from advantageous positions, as a standard of reference. This is obvious, straightforward, and compatible with modern scientific methods: if a particular observation is in doubt, it can be referenced against other observations to see if they provide disconfirming evidence.

PD 24 doesn’t seem applicable to Pyrrhonism. The first part of PD 24 looks to me like a critique of Platonism, as Platonism rejects the senses in favor of the Forms (e.g., Allegory of the Cave). Pyrrhonism, however, accepts the senses and rejects non-evident stuff like the Forms. The acceptance does come with reservations about the validity of the senses, but otherwise it’s not much different from the Epicurean approach.

It seems to me that your real concern is about what you infer about the Pyrrhonists. Consider this statement:

“Skeptics who inflate the proper puncturing of groundless beliefs into an all-encompassing outlook on life, in which our senses, pains, and pleasures are no longer to be believed, are similarly importing unnecessary difficulties and perplexity into the project of living well.”

Saying that these things “are no longer to be believed” does not accurately represent what Pyrrhonists are doing. It goes much too far. It positions these things as irrelevant. That’s simply not the case. All we’re saying is that one should not be confident that they accurately represent reality; meanwhile, despite that caveat, they’re all we have to go on.

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