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I've got a quibble with your kitchen example. Why would leaving the kitchen dirty be painful in the first place, rather than just neutral? If the honest answer is that you've already internalized cleanliness as a value, then the pain is just the felt weight of that belief, not independent evidence for it. That's not hedonism explaining the behavior. That's a belief you already hold, felt as pain. If pleasure and pain are supposed to be the criterion, the criterion shouldn't already assume the conclusion it's testing.

Isn't the actual intrinsic value of cleaning the kitchen just having a clean kitchen? Easier cooking, less mess later, no hidden pleasure calculus required. Feels like adding a psychological mechanism where a plain, evident fact already does the job.

I also wonder whether Mill's move, each person's happiness is a good to that person, survives contact with cases where individual and aggregate happiness actually pull apart. Take the classic surgeon case: a doctor could save five dying patients by harvesting the organs of one healthy one. Aggregate happiness goes up. The individual whose happiness got treated as fungible would presumably disagree. Doesn't that expose exactly the gap "good to the aggregate of all persons" is supposed to paper over?

On the Pyrrhonism section, I generally agree with your read. It seems like there's more agreement here than disagreement. On avoiding pain and disturbance through the criteria of action, no real dispute there either. Where I'd mark a difference: Epicurus presents his claims as settled, where Pyrrhonism, as I understand it, would treat the same claims as non-evident, worth acting on, but not worth asserting as final.

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