Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Griffin Smith's avatar

The line that stands out is PD 16, where Epicurus pushes back against chance and leans on logismos. It's worth noting how differently the Stoics handle the same problem. Epictetus draws the line at the dichotomy of control: some things are up to us, some aren't, and wisdom is sorting which is which. Epicurus is making a related but distinct claim. He's not saying fortune is outside your concern, he's saying good planning shrinks its territory so much that it barely matters in practice. That's a more optimistic bet on human agency than the Stoics usually make.

And then PD 21 pairs interestingly with Aristotle, who would actually push back here. Aristotle doesn't think external goods are irrelevant to eudaimonia, a life with zero friends, zero resources, zero standing in the community isn't fully flourishing no matter how virtuous the soul. Epicurus narrows what counts as "necessary" so aggressively that the two philosophers end up sounding like they disagree less than they actually do. Aristotle would probably say Epicurus is right about the ceiling being lower than we think, but wrong to treat the floor as basically costless.

Makes you wonder if the real dividing line among the schools isn't happiness itself, but how much they trust the world to cooperate with your plans for getting there.

No posts

Ready for more?